president obama said that he is willing to sign it. so that would be one way to just sort of get some of this panic out of the way and let people deliberate and make some really good choices when we come back in january. >> i want to bottom line it very quickly with jared. i'm going to make you squirm, jared. >> god luck. >>maker the argument for going over it. you have to argue for it. go over the whole thing. what would it be? get our aaa back? >> that may be the only way we can get a responsible fiscal deal. and if that deal begins to take shape in late december, the only way to resolve the cliff may be to temporarily go over the cliff so that tax rates reset and we can get on a bitter fiscal trajectory, and -- and -- they can quickly, as nicole mentioned, reverse some worse effects of that. and in that sense, we've gone over it, but briefly. i'm not for it but that is a resolution that would really use the leverage, the dynamics that are in play right now to finally get us on a more sustainable fiscal path. >> it's not juvenile hal